Margaret ^{1 3 4}

  General Notes:

m thirdly (1286) as her second husband, MARGARET, widow of Sir JOHN Neville of Hallingbury, Wethersfield and Langham, Essex, daughter of --- (-before 13 Dec 1338).

[FMG/Medieval Lands]

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He [John Giffard] married, 2ndly, in 1286, Margaret, widow of Sir John DE NEVILLE, of Hallingbury, Wethersfield, Great Totham, Great Wakering and Langharn, Essex, Alphington, Devon, &c. who died shortly before 20 May 1282. He died at Boyton, Wilts, 29 May, and was buried 11 June 1299 in Malmesbury Abbey. His widow's dower was ordered to be assigned, 1 August 1299, and on 5 August she was assigned the manors of Stonehouse, Stoke Gifford, Elston, and Broughton Gifford. She died shortly before 13 December 1338.

[Complete Peerage V:639-44, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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He [John de Neville] married, probably as 2nd wife, Margaret, whose parentage has not been exactly ascertained. He died before 20 May 1282. Dower was assigned to his widow 1 July 1282. She married, 2ndly, as his 2nd wife, Sir John GIFFARD of Brimpsfield, afterwards LORD GIFFARD. She was living in February, but died in or before December 1338.

[Complete Peerage IX:483-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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The following is copied from the website, "Some Corrections & Additions to CP":

NEVILLE or NEVILL OF ESSEX
Volume 9, page 483

He [John de Neville (d. by 1282)] m., probably as 2nd wife, Margaret, whose parentage has not been exactly ascertained.(j)

Note j (and continuation on page 484):

At first sight it would appear that one of her parents was probably a son or a daughter of Hugh Giffard of Boyton, Wilts (yr. s. of Elis Giffard III - see vol. v, p. 639, note "c"), by his wife Sibyl, da. and coh. of Walter de Cormeilles. Walter Giffard (1st s. of the said Hugh and Sibyl), Archbishop of York, Keeper of the Tower of London (Liberate Roll, 1 Edw. I, m. 4), gave order, 10 Mar. 1271/2 (Letters from the N. Registers, Rolls Ser., p. 43), that the Tower should be delivered to his nephew (by marriage) John de Neville. Godfrey Giffard, Bishop of Worcester, the Archbishop's brother, and one of the executors of John de Neville of Essex (Cal. Close Rolls, 1279-88 p. 187), in his will (Thomas, Survey of the Cathedral Church of Worcester, App., pp. 77-81), mentions his niece Lady Margaret de Neuville, widow of the late John Giffard (of Brimpsfield, the testator's 1st cousin). This relationship of John de Neville's widow to the Archbishop and Bishop of Worcester would produce the consanguinity in the 3rd and 4th degrees between herself and her 2nd husband referred to in their application for a dispensation ..., but since the Bishop on inquiry found judicially that they were each related in the 6th degree, the terms nephew and niece must apparently be used to denote a more distant relationship.

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The discussion of the Giffards above is confused. Ivor West, in June 2002, stated that Hugh Giffard of Boyton was not a younger son of Elis III, but the son of Walter, a younger son of Elis II. This would be consistent with the alleged 3rd and 4th degree relationship, if Margaret had been a granddaughter of Hugh Giffard of Boyton. But as stated above, since the relationship was found instead to be one of the 6th degree, obviously Margaret was not a granddaughter of Hugh.

But the evidence remains that, as stated above, Margaret's first husband John Neville is referred to as archbishop Walter Giffard's nepos in 1271/2, and that Margaret appears in bishop Godfrey Giffard's will as his neptis. In addition, in the bishop of Hereford's register, immediately before the record of the enquiry into the consanguinity of John Giffard and Margaret, is a letter from bishop Giffard requesting that the enquiry into the marriage of his (unnamed) neptis be carried out as soon as possible [Canterbury and York Society, vol. 6, p. 113 (1909)]. It seems clear that John Neville was not a nephew of Walter and Godfrey Giffard, so the natural interpretation is that - as suggested above - John was Walter's nephew by marriage, and Margaret was their niece.

The obvious solution is that Margaret was the daughter of a half-sibling of Walter and Godfrey Giffard on their mother's side. It appears that their mother Sibyl de Cormeilles had previously been married to Ralph Belet, but that her heir was a son of her marriage to Hugh Giffard (whom she survived). Therefore it seems likely that Margaret's mother was a daughter of Ralph Belet and Sibyl de Cormeilles. If this solution is correct, the allegation that John Giffard and Margaret were close cousins was perhaps the result of the mistaken belief in some quarters that Margaret's mother was a daughter of Hugh Giffard, rather than his step daughter.

[This problem was discussed by Douglas Richardson, Rosie Bevan and Ivor West.]

  Events

• Inquisition, 5 Jun 1299. ⁵ 544. JOHN GYFFARD of Brymmesfeld alias Brumesfeld, Brymmesfel, Bremesfeld.

Writ, 5 June, 27 Edw. I.

SALOP. Inq. made at Corfham on Sunday after SS. Peter and Paul, 27 Edw. I. Petone. Two messuages with 2 tofts, 5a. pasture, and 4a. arable, held of his own acquisition of the lord of Corfham by service of a chaplet of roses to be paid at the castle of Corfham on the day of the Nativity of St. John the Baptist. John his son, aged 12, is his next heir.

GLOUCESTER. Inq. made at Gloucester 12 July, 27 Edw. I (defaced).

Brymmesfeld. The manor (full extent given with names of tenants), including meadows in Wethemede, Longefelde and Weverdesmede, pastures at Haselhonger and Wertwolde, Longefeld and Meseford, and a park, held of the king in chief, service unknown.

Baggeworthy. The manor (full extent given with names of tenants), including rents called 'drinkingpeni' and 'drinkingferthing,' and a vineyard, held of the earl of Gloucester in chief by service of 2 knights' fees.

Stonhouse. The manor (extent given with names of tenants) held of the Marshalcy in chief by service of a knight's fee.

Stoke Giffard. The manor (extent given with names of tenants), including meadow at Wowehome, Brademede, Rudyngg and Scortemede, lands at Brodemedesende, Brokkemede and Subdene-grove, and pasture at Hethe, held of the bishop of Worcester by service of a knight's fee.

Rochamton. The manor (extent given with names of tenants) held of the king in chief, service unknown.

Heir as above, aged 13.

OXFORD. Inq. Friday after the Translation of St. Thomas the Martyr, 27 Edw. I (defective). Bureford. The township with a hamlet called Seynat by Bureford (extents given) held of Gilbert de Clare, sometime earl of Gloucester and Hertford, by homage and service of a knight's fee, doing scutage when it shall happen; for the said earl gave all that he had there to the said John by charter to hold of him in this form, that if the said John should have lawful heirs of his body, he and they should have 20l. yearly rent there by the said service for ever, but if he should die without such heirs, the said rent with the whole residue should revert to the said earl and his heirs; whereby the said John held the said 20l. rent in his demesne as of fee, and the whole residue for his life only. Heir ………

HEREFORD AND WALES. Inq. made at Webbeleye, 13 July, 27 Edw. I. (Unspecified.) A messuage, 6a. meadow, assised rents of the fee of Gamages (extent given with names of tenants), and pleas and perquisites of court, held of the heirs of Clifford by fealty. Heir as above, aged 12 on the feast of St. Michael next.

WALES. Inq. made at Thlanadevery, 12 July, 27 Edw. I. Iskenneny alias Yskennyn. The commote (full extent given with names of tenants) held of the king in chief by homage and fealty. Heir as last above.

WILTS. Inq. made at Wilton, 14 July, 27 Edw. I.

Scharenton. The manor (extent given with names of tenants), and the donation of the church.

Wynterborne Elistone. The manor (extent given with names of tenants).

Orchestone St. George. A capital messuage and a carucate of land (extent given with names of tenants, two of whom do suit for the lord at the hundreds of Heghdresbury and Doleffeld respectively), and the donation of the church.

All held of the king in chief by barony, doing for the same, together with other manors in other counties, the services of 3 knights' fees in the king's army.

Broghtone (Bro The manor (extent given with names of tenants) held of the heirs of Walter de Dunstervile by service of rendering six barbed arrows yearly.

Aystone alias Aysstone. The manor (extent given with names of tenants), including 2 virgates of land held by Godfrey Giffard, now bishop of Worcester, by service of 6s. rent yearly and suit at the court of Scherenton, held of John Mautravers by service of 1/2 knight's fee.

Estone. The manor (extent given with names of tenants), with the donation of a chapel, held as the wardship of Joan daughter of Peter de Estone, father of the aforesaid Peter (sic), of the heir of Maud de Lungespey, and not of the king in chief, service unspecified.

Heir as above, aged 12 at the feast of St. John the Baptist last.

Writ concerning the lands &c. which the said John held by the courtesy of England of the inheritance of Maud Lungespeye, sometime his wife, 27 June, 27 Edw. I.

SALOP. Inq. made at Corfham on Sunday after the Translation of St. Thomas the Martyr, 27 Edw. I.

Corfham. The castle, lands and rents &c. (extent given with names of tenants), including a wood called Ernestre, a pasture called Heymedewe, and lands &c. at Smeton.

Colminton alias Colmyton. 240a. arable, 10a. meadow, and pleas &c. of court.

All held by the courtesy of England of the inheritance abovesaid, of the king in chief by service of a knight's fee.

Margaret countess of Lincoln aged 30, Katherine the wife of Nicholas de Auditheley aged 27, Eleanor Giffard aged 24, and Maud Giffard aged 22, daughters of the aforesaid Maud Lungespeye, are her next heirs.

HEREFORD. Inq. made at Webbeleye, 5 (?) July, 27 Edw. I. Clifford. The castle, lands, rents &c. (full extent given with names of free foreign tenants), including a ferry, [the hamlets of Middelwode and] Brodemedewe, and the borough of Clifford (extents given with names of tenants and burgesses), held of the king in chief, of the inheritance abovesaid, by knight's service. Heirs as above, Margaret de Lacy, Katherine de Audeleye, and Eleanor and Maud Giffard.

WALES. Inq. made at Brenthles, 15 (?) July, 27 Edw. I. (defaced). Brenthles. The castle, lands &c. (full extent given with names of tenants), including the following tenants holding by knight's service:'97 Henry de Solaers, 1/4 knight's fee; Richard le Bret, so much; Meurice de Dynnor, a messuage and a third part of 1/2 fee (by doing suit at the court of?) Brenthles every three weeks, wardship and marriage, and doing guard for the lord at the castle of Brekennouhg for fifteen days with a barded horse when there shall be war between the king and the prince of Wales; John de Traneleye (?), 1 fee doing similar guard for forty days, and owing suit &c. as above; Richard ap Howel, 1/3 fee by the like service; John Br…., 1/3 fee by the like service, and a messuage and 60a. land owing 12s. 2d. yearly; William Bras (?), 1/3 fee by the like service, and he owes 5s. yearly; Howel ap Rees, 1/4 fee, doing guard for the lord at the castle of Brekennouhg as above for ten days, suit &c.; Madoc ap Griffith, 1/4 fee by the like service; Richard ap Griffith, a messuage and 30a. land, owing suit, and 1lb. pepper yearly; John son of Walter, 1/3 fee owing suit &c.; Meredyth ap Rees, 1/3 fee owing guard as abovesaid for fifteen days, wardship and marriage; …… Seys (?), 1/3 fee by the like service; Edmund de Pedewardyn, 1/3 fee, owing suit, wardship and marriage and doing ….; ……. David de Borughull and Roger de Borughull, 1/2 fee, owing similar service; all held by the courtesy of England of the inheritance aforesaid of Humphrey de Boun, earl of Hereford and Essex, lord of Brekennouh, for 5 1/2 knights' fees, finding in time of common war in Wales for the guard (custodiam) of the castle of Brekennouhg five and a half barded horses for forty days at his own charges; and he held by homage and fealty, and if he shall go beyond the guard (wardum) of Brecon, with his lord in time of war, he ought to go at the lord's charges. Heirs as last above.

WALES. Inq. made at Brenthles, 14 July, 27 Edw. I. Glasbury. The manor (full extent given with names of tenants), including a ferry, held of the inheritance abovesaid; it is not held of anyone, but such part of the manor as is on one side of the Wye (Waye) is within the precinct of the land of Breconok, and what is on the other side of the Wye is within the precinct of the land of Elvel, and no service is due therefrom. Heirs as last above.

WALES. Inq. made at Brenthles, 12 July, 27 Edw. I. The Commotes of Perveeth [alias Pervitz] and Irefryn [alias Irfryn], with the castle of Thlanadevery (full extent given with names of tenants), held, of the inheritance abovesaid, of the king in chief by homage and fealty. Heirs as last above.

Extent or summary of the above castles, lands &c. held of the inheritance of Maud de Lungespe, with the variations there given within square brackets.

Writ to the escheator on the complaint of Humphrey de Bohun, earl of Hereford and Essex, that whereas he ought to have primer seisin of the manor of Brenteles and of the lands of Crantesseby which John Gyffard deceased held of him within his liberty of Breken', as his ancestors have always been accustomed, so that the king's escheators or other ministers have never been accustomed to enter that manor or the said lands after the death of any tenants, although they held elsewhere of the king in chief, the escheator nevertheless entered the same and ejected the earl's ministers, 21 June, 27 Edw. I.

WALES. Inq. 1 Sept. 27 Edw. I. Brenteles. The said earl ought to have primer seisin of the manor, and of the said lands &c. of Cantressely (sic), as his ancestors have always been accustomed, and the king's ministers have not been accustomed to enter upon the same after the death of any of the tenants.

Writ of plenius certiorari on the complaint of Ralph de Monte Hermeri, earl of Gloucester and Hertford, and Joan his wife, that whereas Gilbert de Clare sometime earl of the [counties] aforesaid, long before his death granted to John Giffard of Brymmesfeld the manors of Buleford, co. Oxford, and Bageworth, co. Gloucester, for his life with reversion to the said Gilbert and his heirs, and afterwards the said Gilbert having surrendered all his lands, reversions &c. to the king, the king thereof enfeoffed the said Gilbert and Joan, to hold to them and the heirs of their bodies, as the said Gilbert held them before the said surrender, by form whereof the said manors by the death of the said John ought to revert to the said Joan for life, yet the escheator has taken the same into the king's hand as if the said John died seised thereof in his demesne as of fee, 23 June, 27 Edw. I.

OXFORD. Inq. made at Bureford on Wednesday before St. James the Apostle, 27 Edw. I. The said Gilbert de Clare gave to John Gyffard the manors of Bureford, co. Oxford, and Baggeworth, co. Gloucester, excepting the lands &c. which Geoffrey de Phanacurt held of him in Bureford, to have from the said town of Bureford, and a hamlet by the same called Saynet, 20l. yearly rent to him and the heirs of his body for ever, and the whole of the residue of the said town and hamlet he gave to the same John for life only, doing to the said Gilbert and his heirs for the said manor of Baggeworth and town of Bureford the service of 2 knights' fees, viz.'97scutage when it runs, for all service. Nevertheless so that if the said John should have such heir the said 20l. rent should remain to them for ever, and the residue of the said town and hamlet after his death, should revert to the said Gilbert and his heirs; and if the said John should decease without such heir, then the said town and hamlet together with the said 20l. rent should wholly revert and remain to the said Gilbert and his heirs; which town and hamlet are held of the king in chief by service of a knight's fee. The said Gilbert did not surrender the said tenements to the king with his other lands &c. but they were in his seisin without any change until the day of his death; and neither the aforesaid John, Joan, nor Ralph did homage or fealty to the king for the same. …… [Inq.] …… (fragment undated).

Writ of plenius certiorari on the complaint of Margaret, late the wife of the said John, that the escheator had taken into the king's hand certain lands &c. in Orcheston St. George whereof she was enfeoffed jointly with her said husband, 21 July, 27 Edw. I.

WILTS. Inq. made at Scherentone, 5 Aug. 27 Edw. I. The said Margaret, three years before the death of the said John, was enfeoffed jointly with him of a messuage and a carucate of land in Orchestone St. George by John le Bret to them and their heirs for ever, and she peacefully continued her seisin until the said John Giffard's death. Those tenements are held of the king in chief by barony, doing to the king for the manor, with other manors in other counties, the service of 3 knights' fees in his army.

C. Edw. I. File 91. (2.)

Margaret married John Giffard 1st Baron Giffard of Brimsfield, son of Elias [IV] Giffard and Alice de Mautravers Heiress of Ashton.^{1 2} (John Giffard 1st Baron Giffard of Brimsfield was born about 19 Jan 1232,^{2 6 7} died on 29 May 1299 in Boyton, Warminster, Wiltshire, BA12, GB ^{1 2 6} and was buried in Malmesbury Abbey, Malmesbury, Wiltshire, SN16, GB ².)