Thibaut [III] de Blois Comte de Blois 3
- Born: Abt 1010 1
- Marriage (1): Gersende du Maine 1
- Marriage (2): Adèle before 1061 2
- Died: 29-30 Sep 1089 aged about 79 4
- Buried: Saint-Martin-d'Ablois, Épernay, Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, 51530, FR 1
Another name for Thibaut was Theobald de Blois.
THIBAUT de Blois, son of EUDES II Comte de Blois & his second wife Ermengarde d'Auvergne (-29/30 Sep 1089, bur Epernay). The Liber Modernorum Regum Francorum names "Tetbaudus et Stephanus" as the two sons of Comte Eudes, specifying that Thibaut succeeded in "Carnotensem et Turonensem". The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Theobaldi filii Odonis Campaniensis" when recording that he lost Tours in 1041. "Odo comes filius [Odonis comitis]" confirmed a donation of his father by charter dated to [1032/37], subscribed by "Tetbaldi filii eius, matris eius Ermengardis…Hervei vicecomitis". He succeeded his father in 1037 as THIBAUT III Comte de Blois, de Chartres, de Châteaudun, de Meaux, de Sancerre et de Troyes. He lost Beauvais some time after 1037. Guillaume de Jumièges records that "comitem Tetbaldum" was captured by Geoffroy Comte d'Anjou who extorted the town of Tours from him by force. The Chronica Rainaldi records that "Tetbaldus, filius Odonis comitis" was captured by "Goffrido comite Andecavorum" in 1044 after which the city of Tours surrendered. The necrology of Saint-Père-en-Vallée records the death "II Kal Oct" of "Tebaldus comes Carnotensium". The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records that "comes Theobaldus [filius Odonis]" was buried "apud Spernacum".
m firstly (repudiated 1048) as her first husband, GERSENDE du Maine, daughter of HERIBERT [I] "Euigilans Canis/Eveille-chien" Comte du Maine & his wife ---([1025/35]-). The Actus pontificum Cenomannis records that "Atho marchisius" left Maine in the hands of "Gaufridi de Meduana", also naming "uxor eiusdem marchisii Garcendis…filia Herberti Cenomannorum…comitis…Evigila Canem" and specifying that she had married firstly "Theobaldo duci Campanie" and that he had repudiated her. She married secondly as his second wife, Alberto Azzo II d'Este. Her second marriage is also mentioned by Orderic Vitalis, who incorrectly says that she was the daughter of Comte Hugues IV.
[m secondly ([1050/55]) GUNDRADA, daughter of --- (-[1055/60]). Her marriage is confirmed by the charter dated 1089 under which "Stephanus comes" donated property to the abbey of Pontlevoy, for the souls of "Theobaldi comitis patris mei et matris meæ Gundreæ…". It is assumed that she died soon after giving birth to her son. Another possibility is that "Gundreæ" in this charter is in fact a distorted transcription of "Gersendæ", the name of Thibaut´s known first wife. This cannot be verified unless another primary source emerges which names the mother of Comte Etienne.]
m [secondly/thirdly] (before 1061) ADELA [Alix], daughter of--- (-12 May [1093/1100], bur Saint-Faron). "Adeladis comitisse" subscribed the donation to Cluny by "Rotrocus castri Mauritanie comes atque Dunensis castri vicecomes" dated 11 Jan 1078, immediately after "Tetbaldi comitis, Stephani comitis", it being assumed that she was the wife of the former not the latter. Her parentage is uncertain. According to the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines, "Alaydis soror sancti Symonis" married "comiti Campanie Theobaldo", although Alberic confuses her with her supposed niece Adelais, daughter of Héribert [IV] Comte de Vermandois, saying that she married "Hugoni fratri regis Philippi" after the death of her husband. If Alberic is correct, the [second/third] wife of Comte Thibaut III was Adela [Alix] de Valois, daughter of Raoul [III] de Crépy Comte du Vexin et de Valois & his first wife Aelis de Bar-sur-Aube. The difficulty with Alberic´s statement is an undated charter, quoted by Acta Sanctorum, under which "Rodulfus comes" [identified as Comte Raoul [III]] donated property to Saint-Rémy, confirmed by "Symonem filium meum, duos quoque generos meos, quos de filiabus meis habeo, id est Heribertum comitem et juvenem…Bartholomeum". If the wife of Thibaut III Comte de Blois had been another daughter of Comte Raoul [III], it is unclear why Thibaut would have been omitted from this document which appears to indicate clearly that Raoul had only two sons-in-law. Nevertheless, a close relationship with the family of the comtes de Valois is indicated by a charter dated to [1077/81] under which "Teobaudus comes palatinus…cum mulierum Adelaide" donated property to Montiérender, naming "bone memorie predecessorum…patris sui Odonis comitis et Heriberto cognomento senioris…comes Rodulfus predecessor suus et propinquus", the latter presumably referring to Comte Raoul [III]. In addition, Comte Thibaut acquired the county of Bar-sur-Aube after the death of Comte Raoul. If Thibaut had not been Raoul´s son-in-law, the basis for this acquisition is unclear. The necrology of Saint-Loup, Troyes records the death "XII Mai" of "Aalais uxor Theobaudi comitis Campaniæ" and her burial "in monasterio Sancti Faronis".
Comte Thibaut III & his [second] wife had one child: Etienne
Mike Lysell, mlysell AT attbi.com, provided the following information via a post-em:
Jim - found the following under "The Counts of Champagne": "Thibaud I of Champagne, also known as Thibaud III of Blois, was born in 1019. Eldest son of Eudes II, he inherited the counties of Blois, Tours, Chartres and Sancerre in 1037. He equally had control over Chateau-Thierry, Provins and Saint-Florentin. His younger brother Etienne obtained the counties of Troyes, Meaux and Vitry as well as the abbey Saint-Médard of Soissons.
"A few years after the death of their illustrious father, Thibaud and Etienne participated in the revolt led by Raoul of Crépy and Galeran of Meulan against king Henri I. This rebellion lasted from 1041 to 1044. King Henri received military support from the powerful count Geoffroy of Anjou who laid siege to Tours. On August 21st 1044, in what is known as the battle of Saint-Martin-le-beau, the troops of the count of Anjou were victorious over the forces of Thibaud and his brother Etienne. Etienne managed to successfully retreat, but Thibaud was captured and held prisoner in the tower of Loches. To gain his freedom, and to most probably save his life, Thibaud was forced to give over control of the Touraine region as well as the castles of Chinon and Langeais to the count of Anjou. As a result of this loss, the center of the Blois-Champagne principality shifted away from the Loire valley towards the Seine and the East. Around 1048, Etienne died and left his young son Eudes III in the protection of his uncle who acted as his regent. Upon reaching his majority, Eudes III distanced himself from Thibaud.
"He came dangerously under the influence of king Philippe I before finally deciding to take part in the conquest of England in 1066. He left France never to return again. From this point onward, the count Thibaud took control permanently of all the lands belonging to his family. In 1045, Thibaud married Gersent of Le Mans who gave him his first son, Etienne-Henri. In 1049, Thibaud annulled this marriage, expressly at the demand of pope Leon IX, for reasons of parentage.
"Thibaud I was directly implicated in the establishment of at least 12 monastic and parish churches in the Champagne region (a Benedictine priory for Saint-Germain of Auxerre at Saint-Florentin after 1037 ; a Benedictine priory for Marmoutier at Ventelay before 1042 ; the Benedictine priory of Saint-Ayoul for Montier-la-Celle at Provins in 1048 ; the hôtel-Dieu of Provins in circa 1050 ; the parish church at La-Croix-sur-Ourcq circa 1050 ; the collegiate church of Oulchy-le-Château after 1050 ; the parish church of Charlesville in 1060 ; the Benedictine priory of Sainte-Foy for Sainte-Foy of Conques at Coulommiers after 1060 ; the Clunisian priory of Saint-Pierre at Coincy in 1072 ; the collegiate church of Saint-Jean-des-Vignes at Soissons in 1076 ; the collegiate church of Saint-Martin of Vertus in 1081 ; the Benedictine abbey Saint-Sauveur at Vertus in circa 1081 ; the Benedictine priory of Saint-Quentin of Troyes for Molesmes before 1089 or 1090). He was in fact a self-proclaimed protector of all monastic institutions in Champagne. This great interest for monasticism was in part due to his concern for maintaining the independence of these communities from political rivals and it was a means of assuring better, friendly control of territories in these newly acquired eastern lands. His sphere of influence was thus made more considerable. As for his western domains, Thibaud established fewer new communities there. He was however the defensor of the great monastic house of Marmoutier in the Touraine region to whom he gave several tracts of land which permitted the establishment of two new priories in the county of Blois. Later in his life, Thibaud was to play an important role in what is now known as the 'Quarrel of Investitures'.
Since the papacy of Leon IX (1049-1054), the Roman church began actively to fight simony in the ranks of the French episcopacy as well as to take steps in extracting itself from what was felt at the time to be heavy handed secular influence. Archbishops and bishops who had gained their office not by election, but by fraudulent means were to step down or risk anathema and excommunication. The reforms came to a climax during the reign of pope Gregory VII (1073-1085). The king of France, Philippe I, did not cooperate with Rome and had no desire to see French dioceses gain in independence. For decades the Capetian monarchs had themselves been appointing ecclesiastics to office. This was too often done in exchange for 'gifts' to the king and meant that the monarch had a great deal of influence over those appointed in this manner. The pope sent legates to France who were to reform the French episcopacy and to excommunicate those who did not heed the decisions of the popes representatives. Thibaud I invited the legates to hold a council in his city of Meaux in Brie. In 1081, this council decided the excommunication of several of the king's appointees. Another decision of great importance made at Meaux was that all monastic communities in Champagne and elsewhere in the north of France with fewer than ten members were to be affiliated with Cluny or Marmoutier, thus they would be protected from those nobles and others who might try to exploit them. Thibaud I was undeniably an ally to the reformers and participated throughout his lifetime to revitalizing the Church in France.
"The count Thibaud I Champagne died in 1089 at the age of seventy and was buried not at Marmoutier, but in the collegiate church of Saint-Martin founded by his father in the heart ot the Champagne region at Epernay. His eldest son Etienne-Henri inherited the western counties as well as Meaux. His sons Eudes IV and Hugues, born from his second marriage in 1060 to Adela of Bar-sur-Aube, received the remaining eastern counties. His youngest son, Philip, would become bishop of Chalons, but would only be in office one year before dying at a rather young age."
This sheds some light on his marriage to and divorce from Gersende du Maine and indicates she is the mother of Stephen (Etienne-Henri).
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Mike Lysell 1
Thibaut married Gersende du Maine, daughter of Herbert I du Maine Comte du Maine and Unknown.1 The marriage ended in divorce in 1048. (Gersende du Maine was born about 1025-1035 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Pays de la Loire, 72000, FR 1 and died before 1096.)
Thibaut next married Adèle before 1061.2 (Adèle died 12 May 1093 or 1100 1 and was buried in Abbaye Saint-Faron de Meaux, Meaux, Seine-et-Marne, Île-de-France, 77100, FR 1.)