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Sir John [II] de Camoys
(Abt 1247-Bef 1298)
Margaret de Gatesden
(1245-Bef 1311)
William de Braose 1st Baron Braose
(-1290)
Mary de Ros
(-Bef 1326)
Sir Ralph de Camoys 1st Baron Camoys
(Abt 1284-Bef 1336)
Margaret de Braose
(Abt 1285-Bef 1319)
Sir Thomas de Camoys 2nd Baron Camoys
(-1372)

 

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1. Margaret Roscelyn

Sir Thomas de Camoys 2nd Baron Camoys

  • Marriage (1): Margaret Roscelyn about 1327
  • Died: 11 Apr 1372 1 2

  General Notes:

Baron by tenure of Flockthorpe Manor, which with the advowson of Hardingham Church and the Manor and advowson of Pilton, Northants, his father had granted to him and his wife jointly in 1327; probably his father also granted to him in his lifetime Stukeley Magna Manor, Hunts, and lands in Sussex. On his father's death, he succeeded to Trotton, Dudelyne, Dunford, Midhurst, Elstede, Chudeham, Broadwater, Aikesbourne, Appulham, Bercompe and Beningden Manors, with lands in Dichening, Sussex, as also to Tansour, Northants. In 1330, he appears as holding Pilton. Obtaining various lands in Norfolk by his marriage, but appears to have sold them during his lifetime. In 1334 with his wife Margaret, as "Thomas son of Lord Ralph de Camoys Knight," jointly levied a fine and mortgage the Manor of Pilketon: the seal of this document according to Dodsworth bore seven birds, 3-2-1, on a shield with the inscription "Tho. de Camoys* sigillu." On the death of his father Lord Ralph, Adam Brabazon, "pessoner" of London, obtained a Royal license 24th June 1336 to continue "to hold the lands of Pilketon the property of Thomas, son of Ralph Camoys, as security for a debt of 240 due to him by the said Thomas but free from any debts of Ralph his father who now is deceased since Thomas holds divers other lands, as well as those of his father as lands acquired by himself, sufficient to pay all his father's debts." Four years later, he still owed Adam Brabazon 40. In 1328 and 1329, there are enrollments in the Close Rolls of various debts due jointly by Thomas and his father Ralph to different persons. In 1329 and again in 1333 he presented to St. George's, Hardingham. Joined the "Good Peers" under Henry Earl of Lancaster in their rebellion against Edward II and his favourite Hough le Despenser the Younger and in consequence had his lands forfeited. On 25th May 1329 however the King restored to him all his estates in Norfolk, Northants and Hunts at the request of John de Hothum, Bishop of Ely and John de Roos who went bail for his future good behaviour.

It would appear as though Thomas had to pay for his friends good offices as in that year there is an entry in the Close Rolls of a debt due by him to John de Hothum of 800. 0. 0. secured upon his father's lands in Kent, which mortgage in 1331 he appears to have transferred to his own estates now restored to him: moreover in 1334 his father owed 100 to Sir John de Roos the other bailee. In 1337, Lord Thomas de Camoys and Margaret his wife obtained a Royal license to enfeoff John de Holveston in Flockthorpe-now known as Hardingham-Manor with the advowson of its Church, which they accordingly did in the next year, retaining Pilton Manor which the held, as already seen, by the same grant. Apparently this feoffment was only by way of mortgage as in 1362 Lord Thomas de Camoys was found by an inquisition ad quod damnum to be holding Flockthorpe (now also called Holveston) Manor and the advowson of Hardingham, but it is probable that he subsequently released all his rights to these lands as there is no mention of Flockthorpe Manor amongst the possessions of the Camoys family after 1366. In that year Ralph, son of Thomas de Camoys, was enfeoffed in the Manor and advowson by William de Holveston who then held it from the said Thomas. With this Manor, held in serjeanty "per baroniam," the ancient Barony accompanying it must also have left the Camoys family, and possibly the fact that it was practically alienated by Thomas de Camoys almost immediately after his father's death may account for his never being summoned to Parliament. In 1339, and again in 1355, Thomas de Camoys presented to St. Mary's Pilton. In 1344, a commission of oyer and terminer was issued on the complaint of Nicholas Vilers that Lord Thomas de Camoys and others had broken his park at Treford, Sussex, hunted therein and taken away deer, killing 4 bullock and 2 mares worth 4, and had assaulted his servants so that he lost their services for a great time, and had killed 20 oxen and 20 cows worth 30. In 1346-7, he was serving in the retinue of Thomas de Braose in the wars of France; the same year on the collection of Aid for making the King's son a Knight, he and Robert Thorp accounted for one and a half Knight's fees in Pilton. In 1370, "Thomas de Camois, Chivaler" released all his rights in Pilton Manor to Sir Robert de Thorp and Henry Pris, this release bearing a seal carrying the Camoys arms.

Died s.p. 11th April 1372 having devised all his estates to his eldest nephew Thomas de Camoys. As his heir at law, the latter also inherited any rights to the Peerage which may have been created by the various summons to Parliament addressed to Lord Ralph de Camoys during the reigns of Edward II and Edward III. By inquisition post mortem Thomas de Camoys was found to have died seised of "Tradyngton maner', Beningdon manor', Dichening 5 marc reddit ', Suss."

Married circa 1327 Margaret, daughter of Sir Peter Roscelyn of Edgefield Manor, Norfolk, who bore "gules, 3 round buckles, bost or," and co-heiress with her five sisters to her brother Sir Thomas Roscelyn who died s.p. prior to 1353; she survived her husband and had Tansor as her dower; by her will dated 23rd April 1386 she directed her body to be buried in the Church of St. George, Teddington.

Thomas and Margaret had one child: Ralph, who probably came of age in 1365 when, whilst serving in Spain under John Duke of Lancaster, he was Knighted by the latter. In 1366, as already stated, he was enfeoffed in Flockthorpe Manor with the advowson of Hardingham Church. He died in his father's lifetime and without issue, having married Elizabeth, daughter of ........ This lady survived her husband and was in 1370 holding lands in dower from her father-in-law, Lord Thomas de Camoys. 2

  Events

Manorial Estate, 1327-1372, Camois Manor, Flockthorpe, Hardingham, Norwich, Norfolk, NR9, GB. 3 Out of these tenures arose 2 lordships; one was in the family of De Camois, who were soon after the conquest enfeoffed of it. Andrew de Camois was a baron of the realm in the reign of Henry II.

In the 10th of Edward [Henry??] I. David Earl of Huntingdon, in England, and of Carrick in Scotland, a younger son of David King of Scotland, had the custody of Stephen de Camois, a minor, and his lands, and owed the King 200 marks for the same.

Ralph de Camois held in Flokesthorp one fee, and a fourth part of one in Hardingham, of the King in capite, in the 12th of King John; and in the 3d [43rd??] of Henry III. the jury find that Ralph de Camois, senior, held at his death in this town, 280 acres of land in demean, 34 of meadow, and Ralph was his son and heir, aged 40.

This Ralph was sheriff of Sussex and Surrey, in the 27th of that King, &c. and died in the 43d, and Ralph was his son and heir; and in the 5th of Edward I. he died seized of a messuage, 280 acres of arable land, 24 of meadow, 24 of alder, and 50 of wood, held by half a fee, and of the manors of Hengeston, Orwell, Wode-Ditton, and Burwell in Cambridgeshire.

In the said year, John de Camois was summoned to attend the King into Wales, in his expedition against Lewellyn, Prince of Wales; he paid 100l. relief for his lands; in the 15th of that King he claimed free warren here, &c.

This was that John who married Margaret, daughter and heir of John de Gatesden; in the 26th of that King, she came before the barons of the Exchequer, and is styled late wife of Sir John de Camois, and took an oath not to marry without the King's license, holding lands in capite.

Dugdale says Sir John de Camois, by deed, &c. granted her over to her gallant Sir William Paynel, whom she afterwards married; and sued Eve, relict of Robert de Tybetot, for her dower, in the 3d part of the manor of Burwell in Cambridgeshire, and recovered it; but by the judgment of parliament, in the 30th of Edward I. was deprived of her dower.

Ralph de Camois was his son and heir; he gave to Margaret, (daughter of Mary, wife of William de Brews, for life) this manor: she was probably his wife, for it appears on his death, in the 33d of Edward I. that he and Margaret his wife were seized of it, and of Moulton in Norfolk.

Ralph de Camois was his successour, and performed his homage for it in the said year; in the first of Edward II. he and his wife were summoned by writ to attend on the coronation of that King, and was lord in the 9th and 13th of that King, and presented then to this church; and Thomas his son in 1329.

He, with Margaret his wife, conveyed it by fine, with the King's license, to John de Holveston, who presented in 1342, and 1349, and died lord of this manor and that of Bilney, in Heveringland, in 1354, this being then valued at 20l. per ann. and Thomas was his son and heir, as may be there seen.

Manorial Estate, 1336-1372, Bevendean Manor, Falmer, Brighton, East Sussex, BN1, GB. 4 Another estate in BEVENDEAN was held with land in Barcombe of the barony of Lewes and in 1439 formed 1 knight's fee. The overlordship descended with that of Barcombe (q.v.) to the Dukes of Norfolk after 1439 but its later history is uncertain, although it was still owing suit at Lewes in the early 17th century.

Bevendean was sold by Master William de Pierpoint in about 1242 to John de Gatesden. After John's death in 1262 his widow Hawise had the manor of Bevendean as part of her dower until in 1264 it was seized by the overlord, Earl Warenne, on the pretext that she had joined the rebels against the king. The land was restored to Hawise and descended with the manor of Camoys Court in Barcombe (q.v.), being divided in 1426 between the two sisters of Hugh de Camoys, Margaret wife of Ralph Radmylde and Eleanor wife of Roger Lewknor. William grandson of Ralph Radmylde appears to have been holding his portion in 1493-4. He died in 1499, without issue. Sometime before 1503 this land passed to John Covert of Slaugham and Hangleton who died seised of a manor of Bevendean in that year. It descended in the family of Covert with Benfield in Hangleton (q.v.) and Twineham-Benfield (q.v.) and in 1639, as 'the farm called Bevingdeane', was settled by Thomas Covert on his wife Diana, daughter of George, 1st Lord Goring. In 1664 Diana Baynham, their daughter, was holding it. This estate, apparently, by the early part of the 17th century included also the Lewknor portion and was described as half the manor of Bevendean, the other half being the property of Edward Culpeper.

The part of the manor held by Roger Lewknor and Eleanor was conveyed in 1538 by their grandson Roger Lewknor and Elizabeth [sic] his wife to Sir John Harcourt and Giles Foster, probably for a settlement. In 1559 William Morgan and Katherine his wife, a daughter of Roger Lewknor, conveyed the estate which was part of Katherine's inheritance to Thomas Walsingham after the expiry of the life interest which Anthony Stapley, husband of Mabel Lewknor, held. By the beginning of the 17th century this part of the manor had passed into the possession of Sir Walter Covert, owner of the Radmylde moiety.

Manorial Estate, 1336-1372, Camoys Court Manor, Barcombe, Lewes, East Sussex, BN8, GB. 5 The manor of CAMOYS COURT alias BARKHAM CAMOYS, lying partly in Barcombe, but also in Ditchling and Newick, was probably represented about 1198 by land held by Maud de Bercamp. The overlordship descended with the rape. In the division of the barony in 1439 the 1 knight's fees formerly held by John de Gadesden, in which this land was included, were divided. Half a fee in Ditchling was assigned to Elizabeth, Lady Bergavenny; one fee in Bevendean and Barcombe went to the Duke of Norfolk. In 1543, however, Camoys Court was held of the joint owners of the barony, and it still owed suit at the court of Lewes down to 1835 at least.

From Maud de Bercamp the holding passed to her son Ralph de Pierpoint; but William de Pierpoint, who held demesne in Barcombe in 1235, had sold his land there by 1242 to John de Gadesden or Gatesden who was then holding 3 knights' fees in 'Bercompe'. John married Hawise Savage, widow of John de Nevill, in about 1246 and died in 1262. Hawise died about 1269. The marriage of John's grand-daughter and heiress Margaret was granted to Robert Waleraund. In or about 1279 Margaret married Sir John de Camoys but deserted him for William Paynel, whom she married after Sir John's death in 1298. Margaret died about January 1311 and her son Ralph de Camoys was holding land in the vill of Barcombe in 1316. On his death in 1336 his lands passed to his son Thomas, who died without issue in 1372 holding the reversion of the manor, after the death of William de Mallynge, jointly with his wife Margaret. She was still holding them in 1386. Sir Thomas de Camoys, his nephew, succeeded him. In 1412 his lands in Barcombe were worth 5 a year and in 1428 were assessed as knight's fee. He died in 1421, and was succeeded by his grandson Hugh, then aged seven, on whose death in 1426 the Camoys property descended to his sisters, Margaret, wife of Ralph Radmylde, and Eleanor, wife of Roger Lewknor of Trotton. Ralph Radmylde survived Margaret and died in 1443, when her half of the manor passed to their son Robert, then aged 18. Robert was succeeded in 1457 by a son William, a child of 6, but this part of the manor appears soon to have passed to Roger Lewknor, in whose family the whole manor descended. At this date the manor was still known as Barcombe, but later it acquired the name Camoys Court.

Manorial Estate, 1336-1369, Pilton Manor, Pilton, Peterborough, Northamptonshire, PE8, GB. 6 PILTON or PILKETON may probably be included amongst the pre-conquest possessions of the Abbey of Peterborough, but the first mention of it seems to be in Domesday Book, when the Abbey held 2 hides of land of the King in chief. The whole of this land was subinfeudated, and the Abbey retained the overlordship till its dissolution, the last actual mention of the overlordship of the manor being in 1534.

The sub-tenant in 1086 was Roger, ancestor of the Torpel family, who held 12 hides of the Abbey in Northamptonshire, for the service due from 6 knights' fees. Later documents show that their manor in Pilton was held for the service of 1 knights' fees, with castle-guard at Rockingham. It seems possible that these fees also included 1 virgates of land, which in Domesday Book were held by Roger in Wadenhoe. In the 12th century Survey of Northamptonshire, Roger Infans, his successor, held 2 small virgates under the heading of Wadenhoe, but the entry is confused, and it seems probable that the land was in Pilton, which with Wadenhoe and Stoke formed one township. The Torpels held Pilton till the first half of the 13th century. Robert de Torpel, who succeeded Roger Infans, was tenant in 1130. He was apparently succeeded by Roger de Torpel, who granted land to St. Michael's of Stamford for the soul of his wife Mary, and died about 1178. His son Roger, a minor at his father's death, married Ascelina, daughter of Saher de Quinci. It was probably their son Roger who in 1225 brought an action against his aunt Maud regarding the lands of his mother. He died in that year, when the custody of the lands of his heir, held of Peterborough, was granted to the Abbot of Peterborough, and the lands held in chief, to Ralph Bishop of Chichester. The last Roger died in 1229, apparently a minor, before having livery of his inheritance. He had married in his father's lifetime, and was survived by his widow Mabel. The wardship and marriage of their son Roger was granted in 1229 to L. Dean of St. Martin'sle-Grand, later Archbishop of Dublin. The lastnamed Roger probably died a minor and unmarried, as Ascelina de Torpel, the wife of Ralph de Camoys, obtained seisin of his lands between 1242 and 1251. As the Torpel fees were still apparently held in wardship, at the earlier date, Ascelina must have been the sister of the last Roger de Torpel. Her husband is said to have been that Ralph de Camoys who died in 1259, but none of the Torpel fees is mentioned in the inquisition taken after his death, and it seems impossible that Ascelina could have been the mother of his son and heir Ralph, who was over 40 years old at his father's death. It seems clear that she was the wife of the younger Ralph, who died seised of the 6 fees of the Torpel inheritance in 1277. His son and heir John was then over 25 and of a suitable age to be Ascelina's son. John was also the heir of Mabel de Torpel, probably the widow of the last Roger de Torpel, who died the same year seised of a Kentish manor. She also held certain assarts in Pilton, presumably as part of her dower.

In 1280, John de Camoys released part of the Torpel fees to the King and Queen, but retained Pilton. It passed after his death in 1298 to his son Ralph and grandson Thomas. The latter was granted one fee in Pilton by his father, including all the demesne lands, and after his father's death in 1336 he obtained the other half fee. Thomas de Camoys and Robert de Thorpe were holding a fee here in 1346. In 1369, however, Camoys, whose only son died in his father's lifetime, released all his right in the manor of Pilton to Sir Robert Thorpe.

Inquisition, 20 Jun 1372. 1 173. THOMAS CAMOYS, or CAMAYS, knight.

Writ, 20 January [June?], 46 Edward III.

SUSSEX. Inq. (indented) taken at Midhurst, 24 June, 46 Edward III.

Tratynton. The manor, with its members Dudelyng and Dynford, held of John de Bohun, son of John de Bohun, knight, deceased, a minor in the king's wardship, by service of one knight's fee at the manor of Midhurst and suit to the court of Midhurst.

Elstede. The manor, held of the bishop of Exeter by homage and fealty and suit to his court of Chudeham every three weeks.

He held the manor of Elstede jointly with Margaret his wife, who survives, for the term of their lives, by gift and feoffment of John de Gotys, parson of the church of Launsyng, Robert Bryghryche, parson of the church of Aldebury, John atte Hyde of Iryngham and Peter Clerk of Hertyng. He held the manor of Tratynton with its members by the like gift and feoffment for the term of his life, with successive remainders to Ralph his son and heir and the heirs of his body, to himself and the heirs of his body, and to Thomas son and heir of John Camoys, knight, who survives, and the heirs of his body. Ralph predeceased him without heir of his body, and he himself afterwards died without heir of his body.

He died on 11 April last. Heir not known.

SUSSEX. Inq. (indented) taken at Stenyng, 25 June, 46 Edward III.

Bradewatre. The manor (except a plot called 'Pechewyke' with appurtenances, whereof he divested himself in favour of Robert de Halsham in fee tail), held of John de Moubray, a minor in the king's wardship, as of the honor of Brembre, by knight's service.

Alkesbourne. The manor, held of Robert de Halsham, as of his manor of Appulham, by service of a pair of gilt spurs or 6d.

Both the above he held in all respects as the manor of Tratynton (last inquisition).

Date of death as above. Heir not known.

SUSSEX. RAPE OF LEWES. Inq. (indented) taken at Lewes, Tuesday, 29 June, 46 Edward III.

Bercompe and Bevyngden. The reversion of the manors after the death of William de Mallyng.

Dichenyngg. 5 marks rent, held jointly with Margaret his wife, who survives.

All held of Richard earl of Arundel by knight's service, by gift and feoffment of John de Gotys and others, as above.

Date of death as above. Heir not known.

C. Edw. III. File 227. (6.)

E. Enrolments &c. of Inq. No. 159. (1'963.)


Thomas married Margaret Roscelyn about 1327. (Margaret Roscelyn died after 23 Apr 1386.)


Sources


1 J E E S Sharp and A E Stamp, <i>Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem </i> (London: n.p., n.d.), 13: 146-157.

2 John L. Kemmis, <i>The Family of Kemmis</i>(http://www.kemmisfamily.info/TheKemmisBook/kemmis00.html).

3 Francis Blomefield, <i>An Essay towards a Topographical History of the County of Norfolk</i>, Vol. 10 Pages 221-227.

4 <i>A History of the County of Sussex</i>, 8 (London: Victoria County History, 1953), 7: 223-227.

5 <i>A History of the County of Sussex</i>, 8 (London: Victoria County History, 1953), 7: 80-83.

6 A History of the County of Northampton, Vol 3, pp 129-131.

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