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Sir Ralph de Camoys
(Abt 1214-Bef 1277)
Asceline de Torpel
Sir John de Gatesden of Woolavington, Sussex
(-1258)
Hawise de Courtenay
(Abt 1216-Bef 1269)
Sir John [II] de Camoys
(Abt 1247-Bef 1298)
Margaret de Gatesden
(1245-Bef 1311)
Sir Ralph de Camoys 1st Baron Camoys
(Abt 1284-Bef 1336)

 

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1. Margaret de Braose

2. Elizabeth
  • Sir Ralph de Camoys
  • Hugh de Camoys

Sir Ralph de Camoys 1st Baron Camoys

  • Born: Abt 1284
  • Marriage (1): Margaret de Braose before 25 Jun 1303
  • Marriage (2): Elizabeth before 1319 1
  • Died: Bef 24 Jun 1336

  General Notes:

Baron by writ and also by tenure of Flockthorpe Manor and subsequently by tenure also of Bekerton Manor, Norfolk. As already stated, his father granted Flockthorpe Manor to him in his lifetime, and in 1295 a writ was issued to seize "Ralph de Cameys son of John de Cameys" in that Manor, the same as his father had enfeoffed him. Heir to his father's and his mother's estates, and in 1311 on his mother's death also succeeded to her marriage portion consisting of the Manor in Eling, Hants, and half the Manor in Lasham, also in Hants, previously referred to. In 1317 and 1324, he still owed a portion of the relief due for obtaining livery of Eling from the King.

He appears to have come of age in 1305, when he did homage for Flockthorpe Manor, the next year being Knighted with Prince Edward and many others "by bathing and other sacred ceremonies." Prior to 1316, he would seem to have been granted by the King the Manors of Bekerton and Stowe, Norfolk, held in Chief - the former apparently "per Baroniam." Probably by the terms of the grant these Manors were entailed upon his second son John. Acquired by his first wife a quarter of a Knight's fee in Effingham, Surrey, held of the Honor of Gloucester, together with the Manor of Little Bokham adjoining it: the capital messuage and one part of this Manor he held of the King as a quarter of a Knight's fee value 10, another part he held of John Pikard by like service value 10s, and 4 yards of land of the Abbot of Chertsey at the rent of 7s. He also appears to have acquired by his first wife the Manor of Woolbeding, Sussex, held of the Honor of Brembre, as in 1305 he and his wife possessed it. In 1303, his mother-in-law, Lady Mary de Braose with the King's consent, enfeoffed him and his wife Margaret in Bokham Parva, he in return enfeoffing his mother and Sir Wm. Paynell in Flockthorpe Manor to hold for his wife. In 1306, Ralph and his wife Margaret regranted Bokham Parva Manor with the lands in Effingham to Lady Mary de Braose, on her death in 1326, again obtaining the lands. By his second wife, he appears to have obtained the Manors of Rogate, Hering, Tortwike, Tadeham and Alfradesham (Alfriston), all in Sussex. In 1303, he obtained a grant of free warren in Hamptonett, Sussex. In 1316, it was certified persuant to writ that he was Lord of the following Manors, namely Stowe and Bekerton, Norfolk: Chylteley, Eling and Burwell, Hants: Broadwater, Trotton, Barcomb, Newick, Chiddingley, Hoodley and Isenhurst, and Elnested, Sussex: also joint Lord of Thompson and Hardingham, Norfolk: in Northants, Elmington, Tansour and Stoke with its members. It is probable that he built the present Church of Trotton, which dates from about this period. In Edward II reign, he also appears to have held the Manor of Bradeford by Taunton, Somerset, which he still possessed in 1330. In 1320, he would appear to be holding lands in Toppesfield, Essex. 1330, he mortgaged, with his eldest son, his Manor in Great Stukeley. In 1320, the King confirmed to him the tenement called Witherfield in Duntefold, Surrey, to be held by the customary service, and two years later acknowledged the payment of 100 by him for land known as "La Rudes" in the same parish. In 1327, he obtained a grant of free warren in his Manor of Rogate, Herting, Tortwyke, Tadeham and Alfredesham, with a license to hold a free market weekly in Rogate, which Manor he held from Thomas Earl of Arundel.

In 1301, and again in 1324, he obtained a commission of oyer and terminer for trial of various persons who had broken into his park at Flockthorpe, hunted therein and carried away his deer, and in 1310 a similar commission for trial of others who had felled and taken away trees in Flockthorpe. In 1309, he presented to St. George's Church, Hardingham, and in the same year claimed the patronage of the Church of Piriho Priory for his tenant Wm de Kyrkby, but on account of a dispute concerning the presentation with Mabill de Hornby and John Knyvet, the Bishop presented. In this year also he obtained a grant of free warren in Woolbeding Manor. In 1312, he presented to St. Mary's, Pilton. 1313 obtained license to hold weekly markets and a fair at Broadwater, and the next year sued various persons for trespassing in his free warren there. By an inquisition ad quod damnum in 1315, Ralph de Camoys was found to hold the following woods - Elinge wood in the New Forest, with 40 acres of wood in Patresham, 70 in Fletewood and 16 in Birchwode, a parcel of Elinge Manor, all in Hants, also Pilkington (Pilton) wood within the boundary of the Royal Forest of Rockingham, Northants; and thereupon on 14th March of that year, he obtained the King's permission to fell in Pilton Wood trees to the value of 100 marks to assist him to pay the heavy ransom exacted from him by the Scots. From this it may be inferred that he was one of the numerous English nobles who were taken prisoners at the battle of Bannockburn. The following year he obtained letters of protection until Midsummer next wilst undertaking a pilgrimage to Santiago. In 1316, he levied a fine in Tansor and in that year, also, he settled Bekerton Manor upon his wife. It is probable that this was the date of his second marriage. The same year, he obtained license during pleasure to hunt the fox and the hare, fence time excepted, in the Royal forests in counties Northants, Hunts, and Hants. On 27 January 1319, he again obtained letters of protection whilst making a pilgrimage to Santiago. In this year he presented to Hardingham and to Pilton, and also successfully upheld his right to one half of the Manor of Lasham, as part of his mother's marriage portion, against Robert, Warden of St. Nicholas' hospital, Portsmouth.

From 4th June to Michaelmas 1320, he acted as one of Hugh le Despenser's attorneys. In this year, he obtained a confirmation of two grants which he had made to various persons of all his lands in Hardingham and also a commission of oyer and terminer for the trial of various persons who had fished in his stews in Stowbedon Manor. In 1322, it is related in the Close Rolls that Sir Thomas Wake of Blisworth and Thomas Wake of Liddell owed him 100 marks secured upon their lands in Northamptonshire, but in 1328 Ralph and his son Thomas appear as owing the latter 1000 marks, secured upon their lands in Sussex; between 1322 and 1334 there are many similar enrollments of debts due by and to Ralph de Cameys, and, from 1328, by him and his son Thomas jointly. In 1324, the Manor of Cokeham in Sumpting, Sussex, and the advowson of the hospital of St. Anthony annexed thereto, were settled by fine upon Ralph and his wife Elizabeth for life, and on their son Ralph for life, remainder to their grandson John, and on failure of his issue to his sisters Margaret and Isabella and their heirs in succession, remainder to the right heirs of Ralph. In 1327, he obtained license at the request of Sir Thomas Roscelyn to grant to his son Thomas de Cameys and his wife Margaret the Manor of Flockthorpe and the advowson of Hardingham Church. Ralph appears at the same time, probably the occasion of his son's marriage to Margaret de Roscelin, to have also granted the latter Pilton Manor, Hunts, and lands in Sussex.

In Volume 6 of the Sussex Archaeological Collections in a description of Edward II visit to Battle Abbey the following occurs: "On Friday September 7th the expenses at Petworth were 8.17s. 5.75 and the presents consisted of bread, 3 eels, 1 trout, 3 large pikes, 3 bream, 4 mullets, a fish dinner for the Friday; but the day was not passed in gloom, for there is an entry of 20s paid to Nicholas the Harper, minstrel of Sir Ralph de Camoys, and playing before the said lord King, as a gift by his own hands." In 1288, Ralph de Cameys had a remittance of Common summons for the Common Pleas in Sussex (i.e. as being a minor). In 1305 and again in 1313, he received letters of protection whilst going beyond the seas on the King's affairs with Hugh le Despenser the Elder. In 1307, he was summoned for Sussex with his consort to attend the coronation of Edward II in the train of the King and Queen. The next year and apparently again in 1310, summoned to perform military service against the Scots, on the latter occasion he preferred the service of one Knight's fee for all his lands held in chief in Norfolk (i.e. Flockthorpe Manor) to be performed by two "servientes" with two barbed horses; in 1315, he was requested by the King to continue stationed in the northern parts during the winter campaign and to repair to him on the Feast of All Saints, then next; in 1318, 1319, 1322, and 1323 summoned again to perform military service in person against the Scots, but discharged from the summons on the last occasion; he was again summoned for the same purpose to muster at Newcastle on Tyne in 1335. Summoned to Parliament in the 7th, 8th, 9th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, Edward II, as also in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, Edward III. In 1316 and 1318, one of the Conservators of the Peace in Sussex and in 1317 one of the Justices appointed in that county to suppress illegal meetings, and also appointed Warden of the City of Chichester.

Addressed in 1318, as one of the "Majores barones:" next year one of the Commission of the Peace for Hampshire; in 1319, commissioned with other justices to deliver Chichester gaol. In this year Hugh le Despenser the younger, Ralph de Camoys and Elizabeth his wife obtained a pardon for acquiring for themselves and the heirs of Ralph the bailliwick of the forestership of Assheholte and Wolmere from Richard de Venuz, tenant in chief. In 1320, Ralph de Camoys was appointed Governor of Windsor Castle and Warden of the forest, which important post he held until the end of the reign of Edward II. In this year in consideration of services sent by him in 1311 he obtained his writ of scutage; the same year and also in 1325 and 1326 one of the Conservators of the Peace for Surrey and Sussex, in the first mentioned year being commanded to act vigorously, and in the last to disperse seditious assemblies and to apprehend offenders: also in this year appointed for counties Bedford and Bucks pursuant to Act of Parliament, for the punishment of offenses committed by Sheriffs and others by colour of the offices; 1321 was one of the justices appointed in counties Beds and Bucks for the punishment of offenses and extortions of collectors of aids and also one of the justices in the said counties to decide, pursuant to ordinance of Parliament, causes by bill: the same year requested to co-operate in appeasing disturbances and to refrain from attending illegal assemblies, particularly that of the "Good Peers" convened by the Earl of Lancaster to be held at Doncaster on the Sunday next after the quinzaine of St. Martin - 29th November: the same year commissioned with Nicholas atte Hull to deliver certain persons from Odiham Castle: also in this year granted the chief custody of the Manors of Berhampton, Hants, and Woking, Sutton and Braggeshut, Surrey.

The following extract from the process by Parliament in 1321 against Hugh le Despenser the Elder (Earl of Winchester) and Hugh le Despenser the Younger, -the King's favourite- throws a light upon many of the offices filled by Lord Ralph de Camoys, the suits brought against him and the lands he acquired - "also in order to obtain their evil and covetous wishes --- they (the Despensers) removed the good and suitable ministers who were appointed by assent and replaced them by other false and bad ministers of their conspiracy who would not suffer right to be done and appointed sheriffs, escheators, constables of Castles and others in the King's offices who were not suitable for the King of his people, and caused judges who were ignorant of the law of the land to hear and determine matters touching the magnates and the people, such as Sir Hugh, the father, Sir Ralph Basset, Sir Ralph de Camoys, Sir John Inge and other their allies and sworn (adherents), and by conspiracy of such ministers and their false procurers and aiders caused the peers of the land to be falsely indicted by false jurors of their alliance, to wit the Earl of Hereford, Sir John Giffard of Brymmesfeld and Sir Robert de Mohaut and other good men, coveting their lands -- also they counselled the King evilly to take into his hands the lands and chattels of Sir Hugh D'audele, the son, and forjudged him of his lands without process of law, coveting to accroch those lands to Hugh (Despenser) the son." In 1322 Ralph de Camoys was enjoined to raise as many men at arms and foot soldiers as he could and to appear at Coventry with them on the first Sunday in Lent for the purpose of proceeding against the rebels and adherents of the Earl of Lancaster (i.e. the "Good Peers"): the same year exonerated in consequence of his continuance with the King from the fine imposed upon the Knights and esquires of the counties of Southampton, Sussex and Northampton; the same year empowered to attack Robert Lewer and to take the Castle of Odyham by force, also to act jointly and severally with John de S'c'o Johanne in pursuing the said Robert and his accomplices, for the trial of whose offenses he made one of the justices of oyer and terminer in the County of Southampton: 6th May 1324 he was appointed to enquire the names of those who took or concealed any goods of the said Robert Lewer now deceased, and on 30th July the Sheriff of Southampton was ordered to release Margery late the wife of Robert Lewer, a late rebel, and to deliver her to Ralph Cammoys. In 1327, Margery Lewer brought an action against Ralph de Camoys to recover her late husband's Manor of Westbury, Bucks, which she pleaded had been unjustly seized by him after her husband's attainder in the previous reign. Ralph produced in defence a charter of Edward II, dated 1324, granting Westbury to him and his wife Elizabeth with remainder to their sons Hugh, but Margery having proved that he had obtained unjust possession of Westbury long before that date, judgement was given in her favour.

In 1331, William de Holhurst brought an action against Ralph de Camoys and three others relative to the Manor of Bromley, Kent, similar to that brought by Margery Lewer in 1327. He was met by a similar defence and although the result does not appear it was probably in favour of the plaintiff, as Bromley Manor does not figure again as the property of the Camoys family. On 30th July 1322 the justices of Assize in Sussex were ordered by the Prior of Hernyngham before them against Ralph de Camoys concerning tenements in Sountynge, Lanncynge, New Shorham, Horsham and Stangemerynge, for so long as the said Ralph remained in the King's service in the Scottish war; on 5th August following Ralph was granted a protection on going to this war with the Earl of Winchester, the same month he was ordered to certify the King of the tenor of the record and process and pronunciation of judgement at Wyndesore upon Francis de Aldeham, the King's enemy and traitor, by him and others appointed by the King for this purpose, and of all thing touching the same, and of the day of the pronunciation of judgement. In 1323 commanded to provide packsaddles for the army (?against the Scots) in case it should be necessary to advance without the wagon train. In this year he obtained license to enfeoff Jno. de Hampton and Peter de Gosele of his Manor of Elinge and their heirs. In 1324 commanded to hold himself in readiness to perform military service in person for the defence of the Duchy of Aquitaine and to raise all the forces he could in addition to his contingent due by tenure and to lead them to Plymouth: subsequently in consequence of his being ill he was ordered to send some expert person in his place; the same year summoned to perform military service in person in Gascony, but the muster was prorogued until the following year when he was discharged from attendance; the same year returned Knight of the shire by the sheriffs of Sussex and Southampton severally and summoned to attend the Great Council of the Magnates at Westminster by subsequently discharged from attendance; the same year appointed one of the commanders or keepers of the sea shore of Kent, Surrey and Sussex, a "dedimus" being issued empowering the Archbishop of Canterbury to swear him in the due execution of the office, afterwards the Archbishop and the Bishop of Winchester were requested by writ to assist him in his capacity of "custos" of the sea shores; the same year appointed one of the Manucaptors for the good behaviour of Thomas de Byngham, an adherent of the Earl of Lancaster, and responsible for his fine.

In 1325, 1326 and again in 1327 appointed jointly with Robert de Kendale Constable of Dover Castle and Warden of the Cinque Ports, on 30th September 1326 being ordered to be diligent in arresting suspected persons and in searching for letters. The same year one of the chief Inspectors of Array in Sussex and Surrey to whom special powers were granted, and that year also appointed one of the Chief Supervisors of Array for the counties of Southampton and Wilts in the room of the Earl of Winchester; on 18th July of this year the King notified that he had explained his pleasure as to the ware with France to Ralph de Camoys. On the imprisonment and murder of Edward II, Lord Ralph de Camoys obtained a pardon from Edward III for his adherence to Hugh le Despenser the Younger, lately a rebel, dated 19th February 1327. In 1329, he and two others received a commission of oyer and terminer to try certain persons who had trespassed and stolen timber from the park of Edmund, Earl of Kent, at Arundel. On 24th January 1331, an order issued from the King and Council to Ralph de Camoys to attend in Chancery on the quinzaine of the Purification next to inform the King's Council concerning certain matters which should be said to him on the King's behalf, and on 28th November of the same year his accounts for the custody of Red Castle and the Castle of Egemundon, the Hamlet of Marchumle, Manor of Forde and Township of Newport, county Salop, the property of Nicholas de Audele, and for the custody of the Castle of Helegh and Manors of Tunstall, Horton and Endon belonging to the same, were settled to the 15th February 1327 when the King had granted the said custodies to Roger de Mortimer of Wyggemore.

In 1333 a commission of oyer and terminer was granted to try Sir Ralph de Camoys and others on complaint of John de Moubray, Lord of the Honor of Brembre, that they had carried away 4 tuns of wine, 20, and other goods driven ashore in a storm at Worthing and that they had broken four of his parks, entered his free chase at St. Leonards, hunted there and carried away deer, and had assaulted his servants at Horsham and Shoreham. In 1335, a similar commission was granted for the trial of various persons who had broken Lord Ralph de Camoy's parks at Trotton, Demford, and Alkesbourne, Sussex, hunted there and carried away deer and his goods, and also his goods at Elnestede, Dydelinge, Rogate, Broadwater, Duryngton, Beningden and Berecampe (39). In a Roll of Arms of the time of Edward III is given "Rauf de Camays porte d'or un cheif de goules et trois torteaux d'argent on le chief."

Died prior to 24th June 1336, in which year he was found by inquisition to have died seized of a messuage in Tanesoure, Northants; his inquisitions in other counties do not seem to have been preserved.

Married firstly, (about 1303), Margaret, daughter of William de Braose who held large estates in Surrey and who bore "Gules, 3 bars vair," she was probably buried in Trotton Church where there is a mural tomb against the south wall and in the pavement a long slab of black marble, a brass portrait of a lady being inlaid, with a flowing mantle into which several inescutcheons were inserted, probably emblazoned in enamel but since removed. Ther marginal brasses are inscribed "Margarite de Camois gisc ici - Dieu de sa alme eyt merci."

Married secondly, (about 1314), Elizabeth, daughter of Hugh le Despenser the Elder, Earl of Winchester, who bore "quarterly argent and gules, in the second and third quarters a fret or, over all a bend sable."

[The Family of Kemmis]

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Ralph de Camoys, 1st Baron Camoys, so created by writ of summons to Parliament 26 Nov 1313 according to later doctrine, Constable of Windsor Castle 1319/20 - 23.

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SIR RALPH DE CAMOYS, son and heir [of John by Margaret de Gatesdon], obtained livery of some of his mother's lands in 1311. He served in the French and Scottish wars, and was taken prisoner in the latter. He was summoned to Parliament from 26 November 1313 to 1 April 1335, by writs directed Radulpho de Camoys, whereby he is held to have become LORD CAMOYS. Constable of Windsor Castle 1319/20 to 23. He had pardon, February 1326/7, for his adherence to the Despensers in their rebellion against Edward II, but does not appear to have fought at the battle of Boroughbridge.

He married, 1stly, in 1303, before 25 June, Margaret, daughter of William, 1st Lord BREWES, by his 3rd wife, Mary, daughter of Robert De Ros, of Helmsley. He married, 2ndly, before 1319, Elizabeth, probably a daughter or a sister of William DE ROGATE. He d. in 1336 not long before June. His widow was living as late as 1370.

[Complete Peerage II:507, XIV:138, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] 1

  Events

Manorial Estate, 1298-1327, Camois Manor, Flockthorpe, Hardingham, Norwich, Norfolk, NR9, GB. 2 Out of these tenures arose 2 lordships; one was in the family of De Camois, who were soon after the conquest enfeoffed of it. Andrew de Camois was a baron of the realm in the reign of Henry II.

In the 10th of Edward [Henry??] I. David Earl of Huntingdon, in England, and of Carrick in Scotland, a younger son of David King of Scotland, had the custody of Stephen de Camois, a minor, and his lands, and owed the King 200 marks for the same.

Ralph de Camois held in Flokesthorp one fee, and a fourth part of one in Hardingham, of the King in capite, in the 12th of King John; and in the 3d [43rd??] of Henry III. the jury find that Ralph de Camois, senior, held at his death in this town, 280 acres of land in demean, 34 of meadow, and Ralph was his son and heir, aged 40.

This Ralph was sheriff of Sussex and Surrey, in the 27th of that King, &c. and died in the 43d, and Ralph was his son and heir; and in the 5th of Edward I. he died seized of a messuage, 280 acres of arable land, 24 of meadow, 24 of alder, and 50 of wood, held by half a fee, and of the manors of Hengeston, Orwell, Wode-Ditton, and Burwell in Cambridgeshire.

In the said year, John de Camois was summoned to attend the King into Wales, in his expedition against Lewellyn, Prince of Wales; he paid 100l. relief for his lands; in the 15th of that King he claimed free warren here, &c.

This was that John who married Margaret, daughter and heir of John de Gatesden; in the 26th of that King, she came before the barons of the Exchequer, and is styled late wife of Sir John de Camois, and took an oath not to marry without the King's license, holding lands in capite.

Dugdale says Sir John de Camois, by deed, &c. granted her over to her gallant Sir William Paynel, whom she afterwards married; and sued Eve, relict of Robert de Tybetot, for her dower, in the 3d part of the manor of Burwell in Cambridgeshire, and recovered it; but by the judgment of parliament, in the 30th of Edward I. was deprived of her dower.

Ralph de Camois was his son and heir; he gave to Margaret, (daughter of Mary, wife of William de Brews, for life) this manor: she was probably his wife, for it appears on his death, in the 33d of Edward I. that he and Margaret his wife were seized of it, and of Moulton in Norfolk.

Ralph de Camois was his successour, and performed his homage for it in the said year; in the first of Edward II. he and his wife were summoned by writ to attend on the coronation of that King, and was lord in the 9th and 13th of that King, and presented then to this church; and Thomas his son in 1329.

He, with Margaret his wife, conveyed it by fine, with the King's license, to John de Holveston, who presented in 1342, and 1349, and died lord of this manor and that of Bilney, in Heveringland, in 1354, this being then valued at 20l. per ann. and Thomas was his son and heir, as may be there seen.

Manorial Estate, 1298-1336, Pilton Manor, Pilton, Peterborough, Northamptonshire, PE8, GB. 3 PILTON or PILKETON may probably be included amongst the pre-conquest possessions of the Abbey of Peterborough, but the first mention of it seems to be in Domesday Book, when the Abbey held 2 hides of land of the King in chief. The whole of this land was subinfeudated, and the Abbey retained the overlordship till its dissolution, the last actual mention of the overlordship of the manor being in 1534.

The sub-tenant in 1086 was Roger, ancestor of the Torpel family, who held 12 hides of the Abbey in Northamptonshire, for the service due from 6 knights' fees. Later documents show that their manor in Pilton was held for the service of 1 knights' fees, with castle-guard at Rockingham. It seems possible that these fees also included 1 virgates of land, which in Domesday Book were held by Roger in Wadenhoe. In the 12th century Survey of Northamptonshire, Roger Infans, his successor, held 2 small virgates under the heading of Wadenhoe, but the entry is confused, and it seems probable that the land was in Pilton, which with Wadenhoe and Stoke formed one township. The Torpels held Pilton till the first half of the 13th century. Robert de Torpel, who succeeded Roger Infans, was tenant in 1130. He was apparently succeeded by Roger de Torpel, who granted land to St. Michael's of Stamford for the soul of his wife Mary, and died about 1178. His son Roger, a minor at his father's death, married Ascelina, daughter of Saher de Quinci. It was probably their son Roger who in 1225 brought an action against his aunt Maud regarding the lands of his mother. He died in that year, when the custody of the lands of his heir, held of Peterborough, was granted to the Abbot of Peterborough, and the lands held in chief, to Ralph Bishop of Chichester. The last Roger died in 1229, apparently a minor, before having livery of his inheritance. He had married in his father's lifetime, and was survived by his widow Mabel. The wardship and marriage of their son Roger was granted in 1229 to L. Dean of St. Martin'sle-Grand, later Archbishop of Dublin. The lastnamed Roger probably died a minor and unmarried, as Ascelina de Torpel, the wife of Ralph de Camoys, obtained seisin of his lands between 1242 and 1251. As the Torpel fees were still apparently held in wardship, at the earlier date, Ascelina must have been the sister of the last Roger de Torpel. Her husband is said to have been that Ralph de Camoys who died in 1259, but none of the Torpel fees is mentioned in the inquisition taken after his death, and it seems impossible that Ascelina could have been the mother of his son and heir Ralph, who was over 40 years old at his father's death. It seems clear that she was the wife of the younger Ralph, who died seised of the 6 fees of the Torpel inheritance in 1277. His son and heir John was then over 25 and of a suitable age to be Ascelina's son. John was also the heir of Mabel de Torpel, probably the widow of the last Roger de Torpel, who died the same year seised of a Kentish manor. She also held certain assarts in Pilton, presumably as part of her dower.

In 1280, John de Camoys released part of the Torpel fees to the King and Queen, but retained Pilton. It passed after his death in 1298 to his son Ralph and grandson Thomas. The latter was granted one fee in Pilton by his father, including all the demesne lands, and after his father's death in 1336 he obtained the other half fee. Thomas de Camoys and Robert de Thorpe were holding a fee here in 1346. In 1369, however, Camoys, whose only son died in his father's lifetime, released all his right in the manor of Pilton to Sir Robert Thorpe.

Manorial Estate, 1311-1336, Bevendean Manor, Falmer, Brighton, East Sussex, BN1, GB. 4 Another estate in BEVENDEAN was held with land in Barcombe of the barony of Lewes and in 1439 formed 1 knight's fee. The overlordship descended with that of Barcombe (q.v.) to the Dukes of Norfolk after 1439 but its later history is uncertain, although it was still owing suit at Lewes in the early 17th century.

Bevendean was sold by Master William de Pierpoint in about 1242 to John de Gatesden. After John's death in 1262 his widow Hawise had the manor of Bevendean as part of her dower until in 1264 it was seized by the overlord, Earl Warenne, on the pretext that she had joined the rebels against the king. The land was restored to Hawise and descended with the manor of Camoys Court in Barcombe (q.v.), being divided in 1426 between the two sisters of Hugh de Camoys, Margaret wife of Ralph Radmylde and Eleanor wife of Roger Lewknor. William grandson of Ralph Radmylde appears to have been holding his portion in 1493-4. He died in 1499, without issue. Sometime before 1503 this land passed to John Covert of Slaugham and Hangleton who died seised of a manor of Bevendean in that year. It descended in the family of Covert with Benfield in Hangleton (q.v.) and Twineham-Benfield (q.v.) and in 1639, as 'the farm called Bevingdeane', was settled by Thomas Covert on his wife Diana, daughter of George, 1st Lord Goring. In 1664 Diana Baynham, their daughter, was holding it. This estate, apparently, by the early part of the 17th century included also the Lewknor portion and was described as half the manor of Bevendean, the other half being the property of Edward Culpeper.

The part of the manor held by Roger Lewknor and Eleanor was conveyed in 1538 by their grandson Roger Lewknor and Elizabeth [sic] his wife to Sir John Harcourt and Giles Foster, probably for a settlement. In 1559 William Morgan and Katherine his wife, a daughter of Roger Lewknor, conveyed the estate which was part of Katherine's inheritance to Thomas Walsingham after the expiry of the life interest which Anthony Stapley, husband of Mabel Lewknor, held. By the beginning of the 17th century this part of the manor had passed into the possession of Sir Walter Covert, owner of the Radmylde moiety.

Manorial Estate, 1311-1336, Camoys Court Manor, Barcombe, Lewes, East Sussex, BN8, GB. 5 The manor of CAMOYS COURT alias BARKHAM CAMOYS, lying partly in Barcombe, but also in Ditchling and Newick, was probably represented about 1198 by land held by Maud de Bercamp. The overlordship descended with the rape. In the division of the barony in 1439 the 1 knight's fees formerly held by John de Gadesden, in which this land was included, were divided. Half a fee in Ditchling was assigned to Elizabeth, Lady Bergavenny; one fee in Bevendean and Barcombe went to the Duke of Norfolk. In 1543, however, Camoys Court was held of the joint owners of the barony, and it still owed suit at the court of Lewes down to 1835 at least.

From Maud de Bercamp the holding passed to her son Ralph de Pierpoint; but William de Pierpoint, who held demesne in Barcombe in 1235, had sold his land there by 1242 to John de Gadesden or Gatesden who was then holding 3 knights' fees in 'Bercompe'. John married Hawise Savage, widow of John de Nevill, in about 1246 and died in 1262. Hawise died about 1269. The marriage of John's grand-daughter and heiress Margaret was granted to Robert Waleraund. In or about 1279 Margaret married Sir John de Camoys but deserted him for William Paynel, whom she married after Sir John's death in 1298. Margaret died about January 1311 and her son Ralph de Camoys was holding land in the vill of Barcombe in 1316. On his death in 1336 his lands passed to his son Thomas, who died without issue in 1372 holding the reversion of the manor, after the death of William de Mallynge, jointly with his wife Margaret. She was still holding them in 1386. Sir Thomas de Camoys, his nephew, succeeded him. In 1412 his lands in Barcombe were worth 5 a year and in 1428 were assessed as knight's fee. He died in 1421, and was succeeded by his grandson Hugh, then aged seven, on whose death in 1426 the Camoys property descended to his sisters, Margaret, wife of Ralph Radmylde, and Eleanor, wife of Roger Lewknor of Trotton. Ralph Radmylde survived Margaret and died in 1443, when her half of the manor passed to their son Robert, then aged 18. Robert was succeeded in 1457 by a son William, a child of 6, but this part of the manor appears soon to have passed to Roger Lewknor, in whose family the whole manor descended. At this date the manor was still known as Barcombe, but later it acquired the name Camoys Court.

Manorial Estate, 1311-1336, Elsted Manor, Midhurst, West Sussex, GU29, GB. 6 At some date previous to 1242 Bartholomew [de Elsted] had granted to John de Gatesden 2 virgates and 3 acres of land and a rent of 8s. from his demesne land of Elsted, and John agreed with the prior that all the land of Elsted which the prior had acquired from the Crofts should be held by John in fee tail, with reversion in default of issue of John to the prior. The church, advowson, and tithes of 3 acres were to be held by the prior. John also agreed to pay Clemence 10 a year from Elsted as her dower. She survived John de Gatesden and the annuity was confirmed to her by the king in 1262. Half a carucate of land in Elsted was part of the jointure of John's widow Hawise, but the manor itself appears to have passed with Trotton before John de Gatesden's death to his son John, as it was among his possessions when he died in 1258. With the other Gatesden estates, Elsted passed to Margaret, daughter and heiress of the younger John de Gatesden. She and her husband John de Camoys in 1280 recognized the right of the Prior of Boxgrove to certain land and a mill in Elsted which John de Gatesden had held for his life by a lease from a former prior, and 17 acres in Elsted in the vale of Marden. They also gave him an acre in Tulonde, and the advowson of the church, while the prior recognized their right to 22 acres of land in Kerswell furlong and 3 acres of wood lying to the south of this land.

Sir John Camoys leased the manor in 1279 for 20 years to Henry Husee of Harting, who paid the rent of 25 to Queen Eleanor on behalf of Sir John de Camoys. After Henry's death, though there were 9 years of the lease yet to run, Sir John entered into the manor, and took fealty of the tenants. Thereupon Sir William Paynel, who was then in possession of all the Gatesden manors, came to Elsted and chased away Sir John's servants, until he too was ousted by the subescheator in the king's name. In 1329 the Bishop of Exeter wrote to Sir Ralph Camoys (son of Sir John) stating that the Prior of Boxgrove claimed that he held the manor of the bishop and that Sir Ralph was his tenant; the bishop contradicted the prior's claim and told Sir Ralph that his service should be rendered to himself as for 2 knights' fees of his manor of Chidham.

The manor descended with Trotton (q.v) to the coheirs of Sir Roger Lewknor...

Inquisition: Post mortem, 23 May 1326. 7 702. MARY, LATE THE WIFE OF WILLIAM DE BREWOSA alias DE BREWOSE, the elder.

Writ, 23 May, 19 Edward II.

SURREY. Inq. Monday, 16 June, 19 Edward II.

Effyngham. A carucate of land held of the king as of the honour of Gloucester, now in the king's hand by the forfeiture of Hugh Daudele, the younger, by service of 1/4 knight's fee.

Little Bokham. The manor and the advowson of the church, held of the earl of Winchester as of the honour of Brembre by service of a knight's fee.

By fine levied in the king's court, 34 Edward I, the said Mary acknowledged all the above to be the right of Ralph de Cammeys and Margaret his wife, who granted the same to the said Mary for life rendering a rose yearly, with reversion to the said Ralph and Margaret and the heirs of the said Margaret.

SURREY. Inq. Sunday, 15 June, 19 Edward II.

Bromelegh and its member Clendon. A messuage, 100a. land, 3a. meadow, 60a. wood, and 20 marks rent, which the said William and Mary acquired to themselves and the heirs of their bodies, by fine levied in the king's court, from Richard de Brewosa and Alice his wife, in exchange for a manor called Akenham co. Norfolk (rectius Suffolk), held of the heirs of Giles de Brewosa by service of a pair of gloves or 1d. yearly.

Thomas, son of Peter son of the said William and Mary, aged 26 and more, is her next heir.

SUSSEX. Inq. Saturday, 21 June, 19 Edward II.

Cheresworth by Horsham. A messuage, a mill, 80a. land, 6s. 6d. rent, and a pond, held for life, by the demise of Peter de Brewose, son of the said William and Mary, to whom the same descended after the death of Richard his brother, which tenements after the death of the said Mary ought to remain to Thomas son and heir of the said Peter, as appears by a fine levied in the king's court in 9 Edward I, between Amice de Ripariis, countess of Devon, and William de Brewosa father of the said Richard and Peter. The said tenements are held of Nigel de Coumbes, service unknown.

Segwyk by Horsham. A mill, a park containing 400a., 40s. rent &c., held for life by the demise of the aforesaid Peter, as above, which ought to remain to the said Thomas as appears by a fine levied in the king's court in 14 Edward I., between the aforesaid William de Brewose and Henry de Whiteway; whereof three parts of the said park are held of the abbot of Fescamp by service of 9s. 6d. and suit at the abbot's court at Cherletone, and the residue is held of the barony of Brembre, service unknown.

SUSSEX. Inq. Thursday, 12 June, 19 Edward II.

Findon, Wassington, Bedinges, Westgrenstede and Kyngesberne. The manors (extent given), with the advowsons of the churches of Findon and [West] Grenstede, including in Grenstede a park of 200a. called Stokpark in Shepeleye, 40s. rent of assize in Horsham, and 23 1/2 knights' fees worth 47l. when scutage runs at 40s., held for life in dower as part of the Barony of Brembre, which is held of the king in chief by service of 1 1/2 knight's fee, as of the inheritance of Hugh le Despenser, earl of Winchester, as appears by a fine levied in the king's court between Aline late the wife of John de Moubray and the said earl.

C. Edw. II. File 97. (7.)


Ralph married Margaret de Braose, daughter of William de Braose 1st Baron Braose and Mary de Ros, before 25 Jun 1303. (Margaret de Braose was born about 1285 and died before 1319.)


Ralph next married Elizabeth before 1319.1


Sources


1 John L. Kemmis, <i>The Family of Kemmis</i>(http://www.kemmisfamily.info/TheKemmisBook/kemmis00.html).

2 Francis Blomefield, <i>An Essay towards a Topographical History of the County of Norfolk</i>, Vol. 10 Pages 221-227.

3 A History of the County of Northampton, Vol 3, pp 129-131.

4 <i>A History of the County of Sussex</i>, 8 (London: Victoria County History, 1953), 7: 223-227.

5 <i>A History of the County of Sussex</i>, 8 (London: Victoria County History, 1953), 7: 80-83.

6 <i>A History of the County of Sussex</i>, 8 (London: Victoria County History, 1953), 4: 8-10.

7 J E E S Sharp and A E Stamp, <i>Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem </i> (London: n.p., n.d.), 6 Edward II: 426-436.

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