Ives de Taillebois Lord of Kendal 2 3 4
- Born: Abt 1036 5
- Marriage (1): Unknown
- Marriage (2): Lucy 1
- Died: Abt 1094-1095 aged about 58 6
- BuriedMale: Spalding Priory, Spalding, Lincolnshire, PE11, GB
Another name for Ives was Ivo.
IVO Taillebois (-[1094/95], bur Spalding). "…Ivo Taillebois, Robert de Oilli" witnessed the spurious charter, purportedly dated 25 Dec [1071/75], under which William I King of England donated Chelsea to the monks of Westminster. "…Ivonem Taillebois…" witnessed the charter under which William I King of England confirmed the rights of Ely abbey. "Ivo Taleboys" donated Spalding Monastery to the church of Saint-Nicholas Anjou, for "conjugis suć Lucić et antecessorum Toraldi…uxoris eius" by undated charter. "Ivo Talliebois" donated property to St Mary, York, for the soul of "uxoris meć Lucić", by undated charter witnessed by "Lucia uxore mea, Ribaldo genero meo, Radulpho Taillebois…". A charter of King Henry II records donations to York St Mary, including the donation of land "in Claxtuna et ecclesiam de Kirkby-Stephen…" by "Ivo Taillebois". Domesday Book records "Ivo Taillebois" holding numerous properties in Lincolnshire. "…Ivonis de Taliber…" witnessed the charter dated Sep 1093 under which William II King of England donated property to Lincoln cathedral. Ingulph's Chronicle of the Abbey of Croyland records the death of "Ivo Taillebois who had always been a most bitter enemy to Croyland" and his burial by "his wife the lady Lucia" in the priory of Spalding.
m firstly --- Bardolf, daughter of WILLIAM Bardolf & his wife ---. A book of fees records that "Ivo de Tailbois" held "baroniam de Hephall cum uxore sua…filia Will de Bardulf", previously held by the latter, granted by William I King of England.
m secondly as her first husband, LUCY, daughter of --- (-1138, bur Spalding). The Chronicon Anglić Petriburgenserecords "Lucić comitissć…filić Algari comitis Leicestrić" as husband of "Ivo Tailbois comes Andegavensis, dominus Spaldingić et totius Hollandić" and "Toraldus avunculus eiusdem Lucić". No other source has been yet been identified which names one of the parents of Lucy. If the source is accurate (and it is a later source), it is not known whether the relationship with Thorold was through Lucy´s father or mother, although if "avunculus" is used in its strict sense (which is not beyond doubt) Thorold was her maternal uncle. A manuscript recording the foundation of Spalding monastery records that "Yvo Talboys" married "Thoroldo…hćrede Lucia" who, after the death of Ivo, married (in turn) "Rogerum filium Geroldi" and "comitem Cestrić Ranulphum". "Ivo Taleboys" donated Spalding Monastery to the church of Saint-Nicholas Anjou, for "conjugis suć Lucić et antecessorum Toraldi…uxoris eius" by undated charter. She married secondly (after 1094) Roger FitzGerold . Ingulph's Chronicle of the Abbey of Croylandrecords that "his wife the lady Lucia" married "Roger de Romar the son of Gerald de Romar" when "hardly had one month elapsed after the death" of her first husband "Ivo Taillebois". She married thirdly (1098) Ranulf "Meschin" Vicomte du Bessin .
Ivo & his first wife had one child: Beatrix.
Ivo & his second wife had one daughter.
The following concerns Ivo's origins in Normandy, prior to the conquest:
Cristot: Calvados, arr. Caen, cant. Tily-sur-Seulles.
A note in the cartulary of La Trinite de Vendome mentions a copy of the grant of the church and patronage of Cristot by Ives Taillebois to the abbey. An account of Cristot is given in Beziers, "Diocese de Bayeux, vol ii, p. 192.
[Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families]
The following is a post to SGM, 22 Oct 2001, by Rosie Bevan (gives details of Ivo's claim to Kendal):
From: Rosie Bevan (cbevan AT paradise.net.nz)
Subject: Taillebois [was Gundred de Warenne, Countess of Warwick)
Date: 2001-10-22 17:57:13 PST
Yes, I agree in the normal course of events, it was very unusual for a Norman to name a son by an English name. On the face of it, this family appears to have been a mix of Norman, Saxon and Scandinavian and blood. The barony of Kendal was granted to Ivo de Taillebois, who died about 1089, by William Rufus and during the reign of Henry I it passed to Ketel son of Eldred, lord of Workington. Ketel was followed by his son Gilbert and Gilbert by his son William of Lancaster. Dugdale in Monasticon [v.5, p.249] claims that William was called Taillebois and by permission from the king (Henry II) changed his name to Lancaster. [Sanders p.56]. Why he would need permission, I'm not sure. Ketel also had a son Orm which I think is also a Scandinavian name. I think it is important to remember that this was at the northern tip of the Norman empire in England where Norman influence and culture was not initially quite so important locally and the north of England has always had a different culture and perspective from the south. Cumberland was not even covered in the Domesday Book.
Whether there is a genetic link between Ivo de Taillebois and Eldred is not absolutely clear but for Eldred to have been born to Ivo, he (Ivo) would have had to have married a very high status Saxon lady (his marriage to Countess Lucy was evidently contracted late in life). For Eldred to have had a son with a Norwegian name he would have had to have married a high status Norwegian lady. Ketel appears to have maried a Norman lady although Orm, Ketel's son, was reputedly married to Gunnild da. of Gospatric and granddaughter of Harold II. I am no expert on this period (and it probably shows) so would appreciate informed comment from someone who has studied
Note: I at one time had Eldred as son of Ivo de Taillebois, but have subsequently changed it based on later information to his son Ketel (Chetell) marrying a daughter of Ivo, thus explaining the relationship.
The following information on Ivo was supplied in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com:
Not much to hang your hat on, but...
Ivo de Talboys. Also called 'cut-bush'. Married Lucy. In charge of siege of Hereward the Wake at Ely, 1069. Steward to William II. Holdings in Lincs. and Norfolk.
[Ref: Domesday Online: http://www.domesdaybook.co.uk/index.html]
The Lancasters are said to be descendants of Ivo de Taillebois and as William was governor of Lancaster Castle assumed the name accordingly. [Stemma Ivonis de Tayleboyse (ex registro S. Mar Ebor New Monast iii 553) Ivo is stated to have had issue Elthred, the father of Ketel, the father of Gilbert, father of Wm of Lancaster who married Gundreda Countess of Warwick. Ketellus filius Elredi was donor of various property to the Abbey of St Mary, York. [Ref: Rosie Bevan 21 Oct 2001 citing The Topographer and Genealogist 1846 p15] note: "is stated" is usually a subtle reference to a difference of opinion amongst scholars... Curt
Ives next married Lucy.1 (Lucy was born about 1070 7 and died in 1138 in Spalding Priory, Spalding, Lincolnshire, PE11, GB.)